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Join Gretchen Schmelzer and Carolyn Murphy for an exploration of the intersection of trauma and leadership in their podcast, Leading Through Trauma.


Resilience and the 5-Phase Cycle
Center for Trauma and Leadership Center for Trauma and Leadership

Resilience and the 5-Phase Cycle

In our third episode, we talk about the Preparation Phase of healing from trauma and how we can best set ourselves up for the work ahead. We’ll also dive into the three types of resilience, and how resilience isn’t about “surviving at all costs” — it’s a set of reserves to draw on when you need it most.

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5-Phase Cycle of Healing
Center for Trauma and Leadership Center for Trauma and Leadership

5-Phase Cycle of Healing

In this episode of Leading Through Trauma, Carolyn and Gretchen dive into the 5-phase cycle of healing repeated trauma, a transformative and highly actionable model that Gretchen developed in her book Journey Through Trauma.

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